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Community Center Advisory Vote: A Closer Look

A look at the pros and cons of voting Yes or No on the Sammamish Community Center advisory vote (Proposition 1).

The upcoming advisory vote (which essentially tells the City Council how the community would like them to vote) will be on the November 6th ballot.  I wanted to take a closer look into the Proposition.  On the surface, it sounds good; no new taxes and we get a community center with a pool.  But I like to dig deeper into political things, I never assume they are what they say they are.

Before I get to deep in the weeds, I should say that I haven't decided which way I'm personally voting on the issue.  I just want to get the facts, as I know them, out there for others in the community to digest.

First, if you go and look at the verbiage according to the King County Elections office, it does say "No new taxes are expected to be levied to pay for the operations, maintenance or construction costs.".  The word "expected" instantly frightens me. That means the city could levy taxes in the future if say, the center doesn't make ends meet or construction costs are higher than anticipated.  Operational costs of the facility on a monthly basis (personnel, water, heating, etc.) are likely to be quite high (think 6 figures).  If revenues from memberships doesn't make those ends meet, where will the city come up with the funds?  Will they dip further into the cash reserves?  Is the YMCA footing shortfalls?

I should start off by saying these "reserves" the City is using to pay for this are tax payer dollars...which means we're paying for this facility in taxes, wether old or new, its still tax payer dollars they are using to fund the construction.  And its a large chunk of tax dollars, $25 million to be exact.  The YMCA is contributing at least $5 million (in construction costs & they are paying for all furnishings and equipment and all operational expenses).  I wonder if those operational costs are ongoing or have a time limit?  I have an email into Jessi Richardson (Director of Parks & Rec for Sammamish) to find out.  I've also asked Jessi to comment on the possibility that a future levy could be put into place if the center runs in the red or construction costs are greater than expected.

Currently, the City of Sammamish has an estimated $50 million in cash reserves.  After funding the community center ($25 M) and their anticipated other purposes ($8M), the city estimates it will be left with $17M in reserve.  If I could ask the city council members what else they might do with that money, I would.  More sidewalks perhaps (I'm forever forced out on the street with my double stroller and 2 dogs)?  The other item that worries me is that the City doesn't actually know how much it will cost to build the facility.  The least expensive facility was calculated to be $25M in today's dollars.  What if costs are substantially greater than the $25M the City is throwing in?  Do they go into the cash reserves further, or do they end up raising taxes to pay for it?  On the City's own website it says this:

"The total construction cost of a Community Center will depend on the size and scope of the preferred option. City officials and staff visited numerous existing facilities before the feasibility study began. The least expensive facility they saw – featuring both a community center and a pool – was in Federal Way. In today’s dollars, it would probably cost about $25 million to build. Depending on what is proposed, the estimated cost of a Sammamish facility could be substantially more than that. A consideration of funding options will be part of the decision-making process."

Its nice that we live in a city that isn't living in debt like so many are right now, but I can't help but wonder in these tough economic times if its right to spend $25M for a community center.

Now before you go & think I've made up my mind...I want to add some other thoughts I have.  First, in my mail today I got a 2 page brochure on the vote "NO" campaign.  I was curious, so I read it all.  It was full of generalities & I wanted to know more, so I went to the website it offered (which is not the same vote no website that provided the statements on the King Co. election site, but does default back to the one from the brochure).  It turns out the guy behind the vote no campaign is the Columbia Athletic Clubs Founder.  He has two facilities in Sammamish.  So he has a dog in this fight.  I can understand his very livelihood could be threatened by a facility like this springing up in "his territory".  He does make one good point though.  The community center is tax exempt, which means it doesn't offer any revenue to the City of Sammamish.  A business, like Columbia Fitness does.  Second, a community center, and more specifically the pool, is needed.  I grew up in a city (in Colorado) where there were pools everywhere.  Is it any wonder that the likes of someone like Missy Franklin grows up there and becomes a phenom?  You can't turn out Olympians without facilities to learn and train in.  I'm not suggesting that by building the community center that Sammamish is going to start spitting out Olympians, but they have to come from somewhere, why not here?  

I do think swimming in general is a life skill, and I find it challenging to find facilities here in town that offer a chance for my two young girls to learn to swim.  We've resorted to taking them to Bellevue where our athletic club is, but trust me, I'd much rather trek to 228th to do it!

So here I stand at the crossroads on how to vote.  I just hope that everyone will take time to research the facts and not just concentrate on filling in the bubbles on the Presidential & Gubernatorial races on their ballots!

**************UPDATE*************

I became aware of one other "no" campaign website. The site offers very little information & hasn't been updated in a few weeks, but does offer some interesting questions as it pertains to Newcastle's funding of their community center (which cost the City nothing). The site is: www.ysohigh.org

I did receive a response from the city today (10/18/12) with regards to my taxation questions.  I know full well that the City always can ask for a levy, but my guess is that after all the touting their doing saying they won't, that a levy would never pass.  I'm personally feeling like the liklihood of a tax increase to pay for the facility is very small.  Here's a cut & paste of the email:

Hi, Christie—

 

The answers to your questions are as follows:

 

  • The YMCA would cover any shortfalls. That arrangement would last for the duration of the operating agreement, which is expected to be for a term of 40 years.
  • Since the YMCA would cover all operating expenses, the city would have no need to raise taxes if there was a shortfall.

 

The city’s share of the construction funding – approximately $25 million – would come from a portion of existing reserves. If the project were to go forward, no new taxes would be levied to pay for construction.

 

Regards,

 

Tim Larson

Communications Manager

City of Sammamish

425-295-0555

 

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Vincent Cucinelli October 19, 2012 at 12:37 am
Thanks for the updated info Christie, was there any mention on what would happen if the inital cost was to exceed the 30 million proposed on the facility, how would that difference be made up? I know they said no new taxes but if the project goes over as most do, where would the money come from? I was at the meeting a few weeks ago where a 40 year agreement was mentioned but it was also brought up by a council member that there would be contingencies in place where the city and/or the Y could get out of the agreement if needed, I wonder if that's still on the table?
Christie Malchow October 19, 2012 at 12:50 am
Vincent - this was exactly my question & my concern with the facility, well, it still is my concern. The City can say it won't raise taxes or propose a levy, but I know better than to take that as gospel. The City's stance (as of now) is that the YMCA will pay for any shortcomings in funding (construction & otherwise). I hope that's true, but I wonder why then the language on the City's own website isn't as clear. At any rate, if you do have further questions - I'd encourage you to contact Tim Larson at 425-295-0555 or at his email address: tlarson@ci.sammamish.wa.us & post his response here for others to digest.
Jeanne Gustafson (Editor) October 19, 2012 at 02:06 am
I talked to Sammamish Mayor Tom Odell about the issue of cost overruns, and he said the city has factored in 10 percent above the estimated cost, and this has proven to cover construction overruns in other partnerships, such as with the King County Library on the construction side. If the Y for some unforeseen reason were to withdraw, the city still maintains ownership of the structure, land, and the $5 million investment by the Y, including equipment, etc.
Vincent Cucinelli October 19, 2012 at 06:35 pm
Another concern to think about.. I realize a main point here is on taxes and an increase due to the center but is the concern about raising taxes for the center itself or taxes and fees in general. I feel like its easy to try and sell and say there won't be any new taxes for the facility or construction at this point, and at the end of the day if they need money we will be taxed, but how would the spending of this money effect other projects? Reason I'm bringing this up is there is an article in the Sammamish Review about residents will likely be seeing a stormwater fee increase and there has been talk of a property tax increase. I know atleast up until the vote the council will most certainly be talking rejection of the property tax increase as it goes against what their saying about the center but its obviously on their minds and could using this money for the center for other city purposes result in delaying or reducing the amount of tax or fee increases they are looking at for the years to come?
Christie Malchow October 19, 2012 at 06:58 pm
Excellent points Vincent. Please post these same comments on the Letter to the Editor on a response to this blog post I did.
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Jenny Manning (Editor) June 11, 2013 at 10:32 am
Yikes! I had an encounter on Tiger Mountain with what I think was a cougar on June 9. We weren'tRead More close enough to see it (thank goodness) but could hear it, and what sounded like another animal dying/being eaten. This was about 3:30 p.m. a couple miles up the trail from Issaquah High School.
Bob McCoy June 12, 2013 at 07:39 am
Jenny Manning, this area lies on the WUI, Wildland-Urban Interface, and we have bears, cougars,Read More bobcats, and other of nature's fauna. Your comment indicates that you have not read my Patch blogs trying to dispel myths and fears of our local predators, and that you have little understanding of our biggest cat, the cougar. I would also venture that you have not availed yourself of the many outreach events held in this area regarding our wildlife. To state you had an "encounter" when you did not even have a 'sighting' is a misuse of clearly defined terminology for wildlife interactions. You might avail yourself of Western Wildlife Outreach's excellent materials regarding cougars and other apex carnivores in the Northwest: http://westernwildlife.org/cougar-outreach-project/cougar-safety/ To have heard "something" might well have been an animal being eaten, but to assume a cougar was having dinner, and the cougar was announcing it to the world, is a bit of a stretch. What, exactly, is the sound made by a cougar while killing a meal? As a stalk and pounce predator, mountain lions are silent in their approach. They efficiently kill, and unless taking down larger prey such as an elk, the prey's struggle is usually short, if any at all. Also, to make sounds while eating is to attract attention, and attention is what cougars avoid. Perhaps, though, you heard a cougar caterwauling? That is a call to attract a mate, one of the few times cougars do not want to avoid attention. Welcome to the Pacific Northwest. Your best way to be safe in our outdoors is to be knowledgeable about our wildlife, and to carry Bear Spray, pretty much in that order.
Ben Stieglitz June 18, 2013 at 02:20 pm
Yes, bears, possums, deer, rabbits, coyotes, and raccoons call Issaquah their homes (I have yet toRead More see a Cougar in person). They are a welcome sight and seem to weave in and out of peoples back yards quite quickly and quietly. I wouldn't have even know there were bears in my yard if it wasn't for a IR security camera I had installed a while back. They are quite peaceful. The bears that show up in our yard, in my experience, are quite scared of people and don't want anything to do with them. They just smell the garbage and want an easy snack. If you keep the garbage area clean and secure you will have no issues other than a pass by and on to the next yard. In my opinion they are a special treat to living in this area and I wouldn't want it any other way. Hope that helps.
Jenny Manning (Editor) June 7, 2013 at 01:50 pm
Thanks for sharing this shot, David. How to you get to Duthie bike park? Looks like fun!
David V June 7, 2013 at 02:09 pm
Back side of the Samm Plateau near my Trossachs neighborhood. Folks come from all over to ride here.Read More http://www.kingcounty.gov/recreation/parks/trails/backcountry/duthiehill.aspx
David V June 7, 2013 at 02:11 pm
It'd be awesome if web links were automatically clickable on the patch. Wish list item:)
David V June 1, 2013 at 11:51 am
Thx Jenny! Definitely check out the Beaver Lake Tri in August on the Sammamish Plateau. A greatRead More tradition and a cool wooded setting for a hot August Tri:)
Kendall Watson (Editor) June 2, 2013 at 04:50 pm
Awesome! Thanks again for generously sharing your sharp photo skills on Sammamish-Issaquah Patch!
David V June 3, 2013 at 10:09 am
Always fun to post on the Patch. Keep up the great work you guys! Great local platform
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Jenny Manning (Editor) June 1, 2013 at 11:38 am
What a great idea for an exhibit. Would you be interested in partnering with us to make sure moreRead More people can see it once you've decided on which submissions you'll show? I think it'd be really neat to upload images of the artwork and the stories via our blogging platform. Please let me know if you're interested!
Anne Randall June 1, 2013 at 11:58 am
Absolutely, yes! I did a blog last year on the stories of the artists of the Sammamish Arts FairRead More (still in your archives, called Makers Among Us, under my name), and this would be a perfect way to refresh and continue the blog. I worked with Jeanne Gustafson to get started and she was most helpful. I will alert the curator of the show, and we'll plan on it. We would love to link to and from the artEAST website as well to get come viewers to share. If you have other suggestions, please let me know! Thanks, Anne Randall