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Letter to the Editor: Absolutism on Marijuana and Driving is a Fool's Folly

Patch user Bob McCoy says all-or-nothing comments on marijuana legalization and accident rates lack definitive evidence.

Dear Editor:

Regarding comments to the Patch article

Ken James--please, PLEASE! point to a post where I have stated that impaired driving is anything less than impaired driving. I have taken you to task for misrepresenting conclusions in science papers. Like you, I would like to drive on a roadway where all drivers are at 100% of their competency level, which in my opinion is still pretty low. But, it generally works that those with higher skill levels at any moment help to keep mistakes from lower skill-level drivers causing destruction. With so many crappy drivers on the road, there are still problems. <thisIsSarcasmKen>I know when I want to drive impaired, I just wear my hat with a phony cell phone and hand hanging on the left side. The cops see me, and say, "Oh, he’s okay; he’s just on the cell phone."</thisIsSarcasmKen>

Ken James' hypothesis seems to be that with legalized marijuana, there will be a significant increase of impaired (stoned) drivers on the road. If this hypothesis is correct, then the question of degree of impairment becomes important. It appears that some reputable studies have concluded that risk of serious accidents double at some level of MJ intoxication. Buying a second lottery ticket doubles your chances of winning the lottery. The initial probabilities are important, though, as to the total likelihood of winning the lottery or being in a crash. Joint probabilities increase when multiple impaired drivers are in the same roadway sections.  Also germane to Ken James’ argument, and related to a point that other commenters have tried to make, is whether MJ use is fungible with alcohol use, or additive. In other words, does the number of impaired people (likely to drive) cluster around a mean value, or will there be an irruption of impaired people as apparently hypothesized by KJ?

Others are arguing that some intoxicants decrease motor skills less than others, which Ken James might or might not dispute. Let us assume it is true, certainly there are studies to support that position. Then, if the numbers of impaired drivers cluster about a mean, but some of those drivers choose a less-impairing drug, then there might actually be some improvement in traffic statistics. Of course, the converse is also possible if people move to higher impairment drugs.

Let’s hypothesize that stoners drive more slowly than boozers, again supportable by some studies. In any case, energy is proportional to the square of velocity.  If, in a 40 mph zone a stoner drives, say, 35 mph, then the energy to dissipate by braking, or crashing, is about 77% of the speed limit energy. If instead, the impaired driver drives at 45 mph in a 40 mph zone, energy is about 127% of that posted, resulting in significantly more damage in a crash. 60/40-->225%.

So, an interested reader will note that there are multiple parameters that can interact to make it difficult to state precisely what driving impacts will accrue from the legalization of marijuana. Additionally, if there is an increase in MJ users as a result of legalization (among law-abiding (formerly unimpaired) drivers), then those same new users that obeyed past laws are likely to continue obeying the law, and unlikely to drive impaired, leaving probabilities unchanged (my supposition, not assertion of fact).

Ken James’ absolutism is a fool’s folly. His aspersions and projections regarding my statements are unacceptable.  Likewise, those who make absolute claims opposite to Ken James’, may not yet have definitive unbiased peer-reviewed studies. The word ‘prove’ is a bit strong for either side to use, as regards traffic outcomes.  

All probabilities aside, in spite of terrible odds, people win the lottery, unimpaired drivers kill each other, impaired drivers kill, and impaired and unimpaired drivers make it home to face the odds again. As I noted in my piece "What do you fear?," no one can guarantee that an event with non-zero probability will not occur. Nor, can anyone guarantee that an event with probability less than one will occur. We apply our best guess, based on the p.

As for me, the aircraft carrier didn’t kill me, and I don’t plan to let a cell phone or texting driver, stoner, drunk, angry jerk listening to talk radio, or a driver stringing a tennis racquet (yes, I’ve seen that, too) kill me either. In fifty years of accident-free driving, I’ve avoided converting other drivers’ mistakes to accidents, and I’ve made mistakes that someone else bailed me out of. The best I can say is to “drive safely, and give it 100%,” even though your 100% is probably crappy by my standards (but I hope not).

Sincerely,

Bob McCoy

Sammamish

Bob Martinek December 10, 2012 at 04:08 pm
One should take pride in their driving skills and practice their driving as though it were a demonstration of their driving prowess, regardless of intoxication or form of intoxication. Texting, cell phones, makeup, conversation, eating and inattention or "don't give a crap" attitude all make driving a horribly annoying activity to negotiate through. Oh an another one, thinking your the cop of the left lane!
Bob McCoy December 10, 2012 at 04:39 pm
Bob Martinek, I agree, Please add: reading treeware, filling out forms, tapping brake or throttle in time to the music, swerving across three lanes for the exit, .... I guess almost any activity except driving in a competent and predictable manner.
RCW 46.61.100 should be required reading for all drivers. "I'd rather have a frontal lobotomy than have a minivan in front of me."
Question Mark December 10, 2012 at 05:04 pm
Please, Patch, refrain in the future from allowing such personalized debates to be continued through "Letters" to the "editor." If Bob McCoy and Ken James wish to engage in an argument, let them take it off line. My eyes are starting to film over with the self-inflated drivel on both sides.
Jeanne Gustafson (Editor) December 10, 2012 at 06:56 pm
I appreciate your comment, Mark. However, there are numerous commenters who have expressed opinions on each side of the DUID debate on the original noted article, and there is certainly precedence in the history of journalism for letter writers challenging assertions or opinions voiced by others, even specific individuals, in the same publication. A letter to the editor is a way to express on a person's opinion on issues he or she is passionate about, and this appears to be one of those issues for Mr. McCoy.
Linda Nelson December 10, 2012 at 07:18 pm
Applause applause all the way around Question Mark ---- come on Renton Patch . . . I would think you would have higher standards to let these personalized debates continue. If 'Letters to the Editor' are continued to be published with useless banter of opinion not fact on various hypothesis for laws that are yet to be finalized, I will take my reading pleasure to another source. This most recent letter is ridiculous, poorly written (or at least difficult to understand because of the necessity of the trilogy concept of Letters to the Editor to have the background information) and I feel as though I have wasted a portion of my life in reading the same.
Question Mark December 11, 2012 at 01:40 am
Jeanne,
I'm not aware of the original article by Ken James to which Mr. McCoy is taking exception. I've not seen the precedent of letters to the editor continuing the debate raging in the comments forum (until now, I suppose). I have seen especially well-written comments called out and published as letters or op-ed articles when they are seen as worthy of that attention. To the extent this gives the author's thought-provoking argument the chance to reach a larger audience, that's great. However, this letter in my opinion is neither well-written nor thoughtful; by all appearances it's merely intended to provoke. <thisIsSarcasmKen /> indeed!
Tere Ryder December 11, 2012 at 01:05 pm
Well, these letters certainly let us know who has been smoking dope too long
Renate Beedon December 11, 2012 at 02:00 pm
I love your opinion, BobMcCoy and I think it is well written. It did occur to me however, while reading it, that most commenters here won't "get it". Seems I was right...
Jeanne Gustafson (Editor) December 11, 2012 at 03:45 pm
I would reiterate my previous comment, Mark. If someone sends me a letter to the editor, I'm inclined to publish it. In the case of newspapers, people responding to other commenters happens all the time; the advantage here is you can easily click the link at the beginning of the letter and see the active comment stream that people have obviously been very interested in.
Even if others weren't so obviously interested in the issue of DUID as it emerged, I wouldn't see that as a reason to suppress someone from expressing their opinions in a letter to the editor. Here is a link to an example of letters responding directly to other letter writers: http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/the-school-bureaucracy-has-been-cut-back-172430071.html
Brad H. February 5, 2013 at 02:09 pm
"Ken James’ absolutism is a fool’s folly."
-did anyone else read that and imagine a guy with a monocle and top hat?

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